1 00:00:09,420 --> 00:00:26,480 [Music] 2 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,400 Hey, you don't watch that. Watch this. 3 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,239 >> We're very intense together, you know. 4 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:35,680 We were like constantly philosophizing, 5 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,040 arguing, laughing, dancing, you know. It 6 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,239 was just like we were in our own little 7 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:42,239 world. We didn't really look at the 8 00:00:42,239 --> 00:00:44,420 outside world. 9 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:46,719 [Music] 10 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,079 All I was 11 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:51,760 >> said, we always had a way of working 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,840 things out between one another and 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,440 that's what's kept us going for a very 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,399 long time. Madness has so 15 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:00,960 self-contained as a unit of great 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,439 songwriting, great pop videos, 17 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:08,320 >> and become the most successful singles 18 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:11,960 band of the 1980s. 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:21,759 [Music] 20 00:01:21,759 --> 00:01:24,560 >> Madness were pretty much a gang. 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,280 Everything was meant to be entertaining 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,280 and amusing, but all the it didn't mean 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,840 that you didn't say certain things. You 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,840 just couch them in different terms. 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,200 >> This summer has been the sudden 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,880 emergence of a new and forceful 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,240 independent record company called 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,079 Two-Tone. Their first hit was The 29 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:43,680 Specials Gangsters, followed by The 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,880 Prince from Madness. 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,360 >> Just chaos, but you know, we're thriving 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,640 chaos. It was brilliant. 33 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:55,600 Instantaneously, the British music press 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,640 adopted this thing called two-turn. 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,159 >> Together, they've spawned a revolution 36 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,719 in musical taste. A fusion of Jamaican 37 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:07,040 blue beat and British punk. 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,120 >> And that movement, it hit British 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,400 playgrounds like a tsunami. 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,599 >> It's time to welcome one of Brand's best 41 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:19,360 love bands. They've sold millions of 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,440 records, packed venues throughout the 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,959 world, and now they're playing on the 44 00:02:22,959 --> 00:02:26,319 roof of Buckingham Palace. Go crazy for 45 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:28,400 madness. 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,920 >> Madness. They call it madness. 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,040 Madness. 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,560 Madness. They call it madness. 49 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:44,720 It's plain to see that what they mean to 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,640 me. 51 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,640 Medic. 52 00:02:50,190 --> 00:02:55,280 [Music] 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,000 >> The police phoned the British Geological 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,480 Survey and they said that people have 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,840 been phoning in saying that there've 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,080 been an earthquake in London. It was an 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,760 intensity of about five. 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,760 >> Yeah. They were evacuating blocks of 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,200 flats because people thought they were 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,800 going to fall down and it was just 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,800 madness fans jumping up and down. You 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,519 know, 63 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:14,959 >> when I told the police that I thought 64 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:16,720 the cause of the disturbance was at 65 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,800 Madness concert at Finsbury Park, they 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,040 didn't believe me at first and I got a 67 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,040 phone call the next night from uh from 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,040 the police who said exactly the same 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,120 felt effects had occurred and so they 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 did believe me after all. So, uh so my 71 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,440 reputation as a seismologist still 72 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,360 remains intact. In 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,720 >> 1992, Finsbury Park was that um we 74 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,239 hadn't played for eight years. You know, 75 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:40,959 we'd kind of split up, but we hadn't 76 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:42,560 officially split up. we just sort of 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,480 drifted apart. And the plan was to do a 78 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,599 concert that was to celebrate our career 79 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:51,680 and our fans and to say to them, "Thank 80 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,000 you very much. You know, it's all over." 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,599 But we didn't say it properly. Now, 82 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:58,000 we're going to say it properly. So, we 83 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,879 we booked a play on the Saturday and it 84 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,519 sold out. 35,000 people. They said, 85 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:04,879 "We'll put it on sale for the Sunday." 86 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,519 And that sold out. So it was a big shock 87 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:09,599 to all of us that still there was this 88 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:12,080 love for the band which kind of felt it 89 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,080 had gone away but it wasn't. It was 90 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,120 there. 91 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,130 [Applause] 92 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:29,840 [Music] 93 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,080 This is 94 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:33,770 [Applause] 95 00:04:33,770 --> 00:04:34,850 [Music] 96 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:35,830 [Applause] 97 00:04:35,830 --> 00:04:38,160 [Music] 98 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,970 [Applause] 99 00:04:38,970 --> 00:04:43,520 [Music] 100 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,000 world. 101 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,440 >> It's moments like that you realize that 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,000 what you mean to people. I think because 103 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,919 the crowd re reaction was fantastic and 104 00:04:51,919 --> 00:04:55,040 it was just quite it was a bit scary. a 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,520 bit sort of tearful and uh but 106 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,600 incredibly kind of joyous as well at the 107 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,520 same time. 108 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,680 We were friends a lot of us from being 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,080 at school, you know, and I think that we 110 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,080 did become some kind of dysfunctional 111 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,560 family. A lot of us came from broken 112 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,560 homes, what we used to say in England, 113 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,520 one parent family or whatever. And we 114 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,199 went on this journey together. Yeah. And 115 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:18,479 so there was always a lot of tolerance. 116 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:20,080 I mean, we were in a pretty rough part 117 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,160 of the world. We were pretty rough kids. 118 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,320 And you know, you could see sort of 119 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,000 crossroads with some of your mates going 120 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,919 into crime and all that and all that and 121 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:31,039 and various other options. boxing and 122 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:33,360 sport which I never had the dedication 123 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,360 for. But there was this slight chance 124 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,120 for music. You know, Mike, our keyboard 125 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,120 player, and Chris, our guitarist, I 126 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,160 remember going, we could take it a bit 127 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,639 seriously. But it wasn't like we were 128 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,479 looking to be famous. We just were 129 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:49,360 looking for something to do that wasn't 130 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,440 stealing money out of phone boxes or or 131 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,720 or cigarettes from news agents. Well, 132 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 this is the Dublin Castle and this is 133 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,800 the pub where um Madness or the Invaders 134 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,240 as we were called then got our first 135 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,759 residency 136 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,639 which is to say um we played every 137 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:09,199 Friday night I think maybe for a couple 138 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:12,160 of months and it's really um you know if 139 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 maybe the Beatles 140 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,639 uh got their thing going in Hamburg. 141 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,120 This was our version of it except 142 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,120 without the girls. 143 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,919 [Music] 144 00:06:23,919 --> 00:06:28,360 I had to give him a 145 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,120 sofa. 146 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,150 I used to call him a lover. 147 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:42,910 [Music] 148 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,639 I never sung in my life in any real 149 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:50,080 capacity. My mom was a singer and I 150 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,680 certainly didn't get anything from her 151 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,479 cuz she was really good. She was jazz 152 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:56,960 singer. But I had some charisma, you 153 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,319 know, we all had charisma. That's the 154 00:06:58,319 --> 00:06:59,919 thing, you know, around where we were, 155 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,000 everyone of the band was kind of famous 156 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,880 for their own individual personality and 157 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,199 I was we were just playing in pubs doing 158 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:08,800 covers like every other band. finding 159 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,479 more and more that that music got people 160 00:07:10,479 --> 00:07:13,520 going and you learned how to play and 161 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,120 you learned what people liked, you know, 162 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,599 and that's how you started to, you know, 163 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:20,240 organize what you thought was the 164 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,280 progress of where the band wanted to go. 165 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,199 And more and more we found that Scar was 166 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,000 really working live. And we were very 167 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,759 lucky that it started quite quickly and 168 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:31,759 then obviously 169 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:35,520 the two-tone thing happened so fast. 170 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,520 We were suddenly on this like sort of 171 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,759 jet plane that was flying much faster 172 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:44,520 than we realized very quickly. 173 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,160 >> Here I am, Adrien Thrills, Cubby Porter 174 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,840 with New Musical Express on my way up 175 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,599 from London to Coventry, home of the 176 00:07:51,599 --> 00:07:54,000 Rudies. The assignment to check out the 177 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,080 two-tone organization, the fastest 178 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,840 growing independent record label in the 179 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,840 country. 180 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,919 I got to give credit to my father. I was 181 00:08:07,919 --> 00:08:10,479 born in Jamaica. Sir Winston Churchill 182 00:08:10,479 --> 00:08:13,199 took to the West Indian island come to 183 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:14,879 England to rebuild England after the 184 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:17,440 last world war. My the wind rush 185 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,680 generation. My father is part of that 186 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,560 crew and they come over here rebuilt 187 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,080 England because Coventry was an 188 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,840 industrial city. All the big car for Jag 189 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,399 um Triumph Persia um um they're all here 190 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:34,320 you know. Coventry. So there's plenty of 191 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,839 work. 192 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:37,599 >> The thousands of West Indians who moved 193 00:08:37,599 --> 00:08:40,080 here in the 50s and 60s imported their 194 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,719 own culture. Bluebeat and reggae were 195 00:08:42,719 --> 00:08:44,320 played in clubs and private houses 196 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,320 almost every night, often all night 197 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,980 long. 198 00:08:48,980 --> 00:09:03,740 [Music] 199 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,360 there. 200 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,600 >> Straight upstairs, right? This is where 201 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,600 the assault on the nation's airwaves was 202 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,519 planned with a unique mix of punk and 203 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,150 >> mega. 204 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:29,330 [Music] 205 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,760 >> What an an amazing combination. Jerry 206 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,200 from a middle- class background. Totally 207 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,000 different background. 208 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,399 me from rural Jamaica boy up in the 209 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:46,560 hills you know run around only wear 210 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,720 shoes on Sundays when we go to church 211 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,680 you know come to England you know I 212 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:53,839 remember when all with the sound system 213 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:55,519 and all that right that's my culture 214 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:57,040 that's where I'm coming from 215 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,839 >> the importance of British of Jamaican 216 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:02,080 culture and Jamaican music into British 217 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,920 culture goes exactly to the wind rush 218 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,240 and the various ships that came from the 219 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,279 Caribbean islands. When after Britain 220 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,600 had been the cities of Britain had been 221 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,240 flattened by the Lufafa, the British 222 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,079 government appealed to its citizens and 223 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:22,720 said come back to the motherland. And 224 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,440 obviously when those people came with 225 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,160 them, these people they settled, they 226 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,560 had relationships in England or they 227 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,800 brought their families over. And then 228 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,160 the first second generation kids, 229 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,320 British kids who had Jamaican clothing 230 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,640 or had adopted Jamaican clothing had got 231 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,399 had brought had their famil family's 232 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:48,160 records infiltrated with British kids in 233 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,440 schools and in youth clubs in 234 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,640 particularly in the 1970s. 235 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,360 there was a confluence of the influence 236 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,920 of Caribbean island influence, not just 237 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,000 Jamaican, but across the different 238 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,279 islands. And so you get bands like the 239 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,640 Clash and like the Ruts and then very 240 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,040 quickly after the two-tone bands where 241 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,760 it's a collaboration of first generation 242 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,720 uh Caribbean kids mixing with white 243 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,240 English and then you get this new genre 244 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,120 called British scar. 245 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:31,200 [Music] 246 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:37,839 Why must you record my phone call? 247 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:42,680 Are you planning a boole 248 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,600 [Music] 249 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:52,079 said you've been sent on my gers? 250 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:53,800 Now it's you. 251 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,730 [Music] 252 00:11:54,730 --> 00:11:57,840 [Applause] 253 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,959 >> I remember the first time we met the 254 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:02,720 specials. It was in a pub called the 255 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,560 hope and anchor 256 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,440 and it had a basement that held 40 257 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,600 people and I saw all sorts of bands. I 258 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,480 mean really I saw the pretenders. I saw 259 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,399 D straits but only two numbers. They 260 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:19,200 were very long mind 261 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,079 Jesus. Can I go for a piss sultanss or 262 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:24,399 whatever? And then these guys came in 263 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:29,839 wearing tonic suits and pawpie hats 264 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:32,560 and they were from Coventry and I didn't 265 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,800 know whether to feel jealous or sort of 266 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,639 that that we'd actually we were on the 267 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,040 right track but on stage they were 268 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,800 amazing. You know, Neville Staples 269 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,480 blowing holes in the ceiling with a 270 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,000 starting pistol and they were jumping 271 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,880 about and so lively 272 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,279 and um suddenly we realized there was 273 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:51,279 someone else out there. It was like It 274 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:52,959 was like aliens coming from another 275 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:55,040 planet. What? 276 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,200 They dressed like us. Where have you 277 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,680 come from? It's like the Twilight Zone. 278 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,480 Someone's replicated us. We don't really 279 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 exist. We both come from the same roots, 280 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,360 you know. So with the the the the the 281 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,200 roots the brands might go off that way a 282 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,240 little bit and brands might go off that 283 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,680 way but um the foundation cuz as I said 284 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,519 the foundation 285 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:16,880 Prince Buster 286 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,970 >> one step beyond 287 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:25,760 [Music] 288 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,079 >> you know what an important part of our 289 00:13:28,079 --> 00:13:30,079 lives you know we got our name from one 290 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:32,480 of his records our first hit was one 291 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,120 step beyond which was the be birus alapo 292 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,680 phone which the specials turned into 293 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:41,440 gangsters. Um and then our no our first 294 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,480 hit was the prince which was a homage to 295 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,000 roster anyway. So he was a very 296 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,320 important part of our lives 297 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,480 >> that link us together and obviously with 298 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,480 a with with a dress cord and everything 299 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,079 right I mean that was it. 300 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,720 >> We look very similar to one another. We 301 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,800 like the same things. 302 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Uh, and we just felt that then we had to 303 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,480 check them out and they came and played 304 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,959 in London at the Hope and Anchor. Uh, 305 00:14:08,959 --> 00:14:10,560 and that's where Sugs and Mike managed 306 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,519 to get in and saw them and talk to Jerry 307 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,040 and that's where the link started 308 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,480 between the two bands really. 309 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,079 >> They were down from Commentary. The best 310 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:22,240 place, the best chance you had of 311 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,399 finding a place to sleep was was was 312 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,240 pulling a bird as we used I don't think 313 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,160 you're allowed to say that anymore. 314 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,320 Finding a young lady and talking to her 315 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,680 nicely. But with Jerry Dams had no 316 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,680 teeth. 317 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,720 With teeth like that, he ended up 318 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,279 sleeping on my mom's sofa in my flat in 319 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:45,199 uh Tottenham Road at the time. And me 320 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:49,440 and Joey were just sitting there and uh 321 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,959 I found a cassette of what we were 322 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:53,680 doing. It was terrible. 323 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,279 But he said, "Look, if you keep going, 324 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:56,959 I'm going to start a record label and I 325 00:14:56,959 --> 00:14:59,920 want it to be an English Mtown." And I 326 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,519 said, "Jerry, isn't that a smidge 327 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:04,639 optimistic seeing you just played to 35 328 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,040 people in a pub basement, an English 329 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,720 Mottown?" 330 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,079 Anyway, about four months later, he 331 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:11,519 phoned me up and he says, "I have." He 332 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:12,959 says, "Have you got anything a bit 333 00:15:12,959 --> 00:15:14,399 better than that cassette?" And in fact, 334 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,399 we'd just been to Pathway, this studio 335 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:18,079 in 336 00:15:18,079 --> 00:15:20,480 Stoke Newington, and done some demos and 337 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,839 one of them was the song The Prince. 338 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:28,000 Okay. So, 339 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,120 >> what's happening here? 340 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,800 >> Well, Woody ain't here. That's what's 341 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,600 happening. 342 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,839 >> Oh, got lost on his motorbike on his new 343 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:34,720 motorbike. 344 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,639 >> We were waiting to get in, waiting and 345 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:39,199 waiting, waiting for Woody because Woody 346 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:44,079 Woody was on his little motorbike and um 347 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:46,560 he didn't turn up. 348 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:46,880 Excuse 349 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,800 >> me. You know where Pathway Recording 350 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,399 Studios is? 351 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:53,199 >> Where? 352 00:15:53,199 --> 00:15:56,079 We were supposed to come to Pathway, but 353 00:15:56,079 --> 00:15:58,079 Woody got lost. Our drummer got lost and 354 00:15:58,079 --> 00:16:00,959 never made it here. And and even within 355 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:03,600 those few weeks of missing the first 356 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,399 recording session, but coming back, we 357 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,399 kind of got better and the and the 358 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:10,000 prince sounded better as well. Probably 359 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,279 a lot to do with Clive Langanger as 360 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:13,839 well, who'd started to come to rehearsal 361 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:15,440 sometimes and like listen to the songs 362 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,720 and make suggestions about the 363 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,240 arrangements. 364 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,040 >> Buster, he sold the heat. 365 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,560 with a rock steady beat. 366 00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:33,839 [Music] 367 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:36,959 An earthquake is erupting but not in 368 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:40,480 orange street. A ghost is preparing. You 369 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,040 got to help us with your feet. If you're 370 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,360 not in the mood to dance, step back. 371 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,839 This might not be uptown Jamaica, but we 372 00:16:49,839 --> 00:16:53,680 promise you a treat about me with your 373 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,920 gun. She me up like 374 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,360 >> we play Jerry the Prince and he said, 375 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,959 "Yeah, I want to put it out on my new 376 00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:03,160 label, two times. 377 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:15,919 [Music] 378 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:17,170 mept. 379 00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:22,229 [Music] 380 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,000 >> And that was it. It was their first 381 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,039 single. It was a hit record. So I was a 382 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:29,039 producer, you know. 383 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:30,799 >> So all of a sudden we were on this 384 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,120 trajectory together 385 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,799 and it was becoming a phenomenon, you 386 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:36,320 know, everywhere all around the country. 387 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,919 Suddenly kids were all into this kind of 388 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:39,440 music and the way we dressed and all the 389 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,240 rest of it. 390 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,760 >> You've done too much too young. You're 391 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,760 married with a kid when you could be 392 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,440 having fun with me. 393 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:52,520 >> Oh no, no more. 394 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,720 >> You've done too much. Much too young. 395 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,559 You're married with a son when you 396 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:03,160 should be having fun with me. Before 397 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,880 [Music] 398 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,480 twotone came to prominence in 1979, the 399 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,720 summer of 1979, 400 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,679 there was a great sense of a rising of 401 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:20,559 right-wing factions 402 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:24,320 uh politically and socially. Uh the 403 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,280 streets of Britain became more and more 404 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,960 a a scene of confrontation. between what 405 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,720 was then the National Front or the 406 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,640 British National Party and Anti-Fascists 407 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,280 and the Anti-Nazi League and Police on 408 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,440 the Streets, violence. 409 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Um, and that was all really building up 410 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,720 to the 1979 general election when the 411 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,960 Conservative Party and Margaret Thatcher 412 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,960 were coming to power. The birth of 413 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,280 twotone was really a new consideration 414 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,240 of conscience, of social conscience and 415 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,360 political conscience reflecting street 416 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:05,280 violence and offering an alternative in 417 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,840 something positive. That positivity was 418 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,440 to be felt in dancing and in in uh in 419 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,840 the coming together of different people 420 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,440 of 421 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,799 gender and race. 422 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:20,880 And you're on your way. It's another 423 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,320 good day with that endless great minute 424 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,320 hero. I want to be a dream minute hero. 425 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,440 I want to be the red expression 426 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,360 the wrong impression cuz really I'm sad. 427 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,760 Oh sad 428 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:46,240 to be 429 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,600 strikes again. And the body snatchers. 430 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,880 Their first time on top of the Bob said, 431 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,160 "Let's do rock steady." They could 432 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,960 snatch my body anytime. 433 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,039 Uh-huh. 434 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,039 Uh-huh. 435 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:07,760 >> I'm mixed race, so inevitably I was in 436 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,720 that instant anti-racist. 437 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,000 And it was something I could get behind, 438 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,160 but it's not as if it was something that 439 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,400 I'd just come across and just thought 440 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,160 about because we'd had rock against 441 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,559 racism for goodness sake and I'd been 442 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:24,240 going, you know, that that's something 443 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,280 that I'd come across and and got behind 444 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,840 prior to two-tone records being set up. 445 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,360 And to be honest, until I actually went 446 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,679 to Coventry, we went to the Midlands, I 447 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:38,080 didn't even understand really what the 448 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,520 big deal was because where I lived, 449 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,880 there were black and white people 450 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,880 working together and living together and 451 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,799 like, you know, going along about their 452 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:49,039 business side by side and had been for 453 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:49,679 years. 454 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:52,000 >> Was fighting racism every every day. You 455 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,600 know, it it was a is like a as a pitch 456 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,120 battle 457 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,919 every day going to the city center. You 458 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:02,320 know, God, I was going for a night. Come 459 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,480 on. I come I I'm still alive. You know, 460 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,159 >> I'm going out tonight. I don't know if 461 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:13,360 I'll be all right. Everyone wants to 462 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:17,919 hurt me. Assume a danger in the city. 463 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:21,200 I have to carry a knife because there's 464 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,320 people turning my life. I can't trans 465 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,840 just the way I want. I'll be chasing no 466 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,640 concrete jungle and all right 467 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,720 jungle. It ain't safe for the 468 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:46,130 jungle that I'm going to miss. 469 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:47,760 [Music] 470 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,760 I know that I'm black. You know you're 471 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,200 white. You know, 472 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,559 you know I don't hate you. Why do you 473 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:56,880 hate me? Because of the color of my 474 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,880 skin. 475 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,320 I don't get you. You want to You know, 476 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,159 do you think by taking my life your life 477 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:05,520 will be extended? You could die 478 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,520 tomorrow. 479 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,559 >> Well, Rody, what do you think in this 480 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:11,919 tape? 481 00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:14,000 >> No. Who is it? 482 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,840 >> It's the specials. This is so crazy. 483 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,640 When we did the two tour together, us 484 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,679 all the selector madness. 485 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:25,840 I mean, what a time we had 486 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,159 >> cuz everyone traveled together in one 487 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:29,919 coach 488 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:32,320 and going through the experience of 489 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,559 watching that snowball. You know, every 490 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,159 gig was every gig was wilder. Every gig 491 00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:40,640 was started to sell out. You know, the 492 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,480 people were just getting on stage every 493 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,200 night. Uh it always ended in chaos, you 494 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,120 know, but it was a very good kind of fun 495 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,220 chaos. 496 00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:57,679 [Music] 497 00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:01,440 Only just one more to this desert your 498 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,159 last bing on the river 499 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,400 doesn't seem to get any of the wind in 500 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,360 his air as he reaches his 501 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,360 he 502 00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:22,320 [Music] 503 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,159 >> Madness's place in two-tone was 504 00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,240 beginning to be undermined by a racist 505 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,080 skin head following. 506 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,159 As the only white band on the label, 507 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,240 Maddens became an easy target for the 508 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,640 National Front, who co-opted their gigs 509 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,720 for recruitment purposes. 510 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,400 >> Oh, it was horrible. It was absolutely 511 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,880 horrible to have that. There was the one 512 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,720 gig in Heml Hemstead which was ter 513 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,520 absolutely terrible where people stormed 514 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,720 through the doors and just started 515 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,799 randomly attacking people going to the 516 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,280 gig which was terrible. I mean, I will 517 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,240 say that there was a lot of that going 518 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,640 on at the time, not just two-tone gigs, 519 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,799 but but every gig. I mean, there was 520 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,760 just a lot of horrible people around. 521 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,600 >> I mean, primarily what we do is just get 522 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,280 a spotlight, you know, and just point it 523 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,919 on people who would zing or fighting or 524 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,559 anything. But it was very tumultuous, 525 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,320 you know, it was it was a bit scary, 526 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,799 but, you know, we were quite scary as 527 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,040 well. So, let's be fair. 528 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,520 [Applause] 529 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,120 He was a lot of skin age latched on to 530 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,799 us. But having said that, they they were 531 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,640 latching on to the specials as well. It 532 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,400 was just totally bizarre, you know, that 533 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720 they couldn't see what was in front of 534 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,520 their faces. Concert and they got in on 535 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,039 the Zika. Oh, you know this time when me 536 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,520 and Neville and J got on the stage, got 537 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,120 these guys, give him a few slap around 538 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,799 the head, throw them out and get back on 539 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:43,440 the stage and carry on playing. 540 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,039 This one, 541 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,000 >> it's a message to you all. Message to 542 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240 you. 543 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,760 >> What a way to deliver a message where he 544 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,679 says, "A message to you, Rudy. Stop you 545 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:55,679 messing around. 546 00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:58,480 You better think of your future. Time to 547 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,840 straighten right out you'll wind up in 548 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,039 jail." As to everyone who youth growing 549 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,360 up who were having problem, it's a 550 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,039 message to you. 551 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:13,000 >> Stop your messing around. 552 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,559 Better think of your future. 553 00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:21,880 Time is raining right now. 554 00:25:27,650 --> 00:25:31,440 [Music] 555 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,440 A lot of people said to me, there's a 556 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,400 new band called Madness, Scar Band, 557 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,880 which they were at the time, that would 558 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,039 um 559 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,400 would be good for Stiff. And they 560 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,799 weren't playing at the time. They had no 561 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,279 v they had no shows, 562 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,159 and I don't sign anybody unless I meet 563 00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,440 them and and see them. So, I was getting 564 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,440 married at the same time. And so I 565 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,840 thought, you know, I could do two things 566 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,600 at once. I could get married and I could 567 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,159 get a band from my wedding. 568 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:06,640 >> Hello. 569 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,320 >> I am the governor of the I'm the Dublin 570 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:08,880 C. 571 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,799 >> You are? And this is my girl. Can I have 572 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:12,220 a gig now? 573 00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:22,839 [Music] 574 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,520 >> So that was very first time I sold them. 575 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,799 was uh at that wedding and there was 576 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,159 there was a good crowd the stiff crowd 577 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:37,200 Elvis Costello Dury 578 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,559 um and a lot of other kind of musicians 579 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,400 as well as regular stiff people. So they 580 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,640 were good and I go I went into the 581 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,039 dressing room before we started and said 582 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,520 if there was going to be any problems I 583 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,159 would be really uptight. I would, you 584 00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:56,080 know, I had a baseball bat which I'd be 585 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,400 very happy to bring in here and I'll 586 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,200 kill anybody who irritates my wife. 587 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,520 I tried and tried but I could not be 588 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,120 hurt. 589 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,799 Why can't I explain? 590 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,799 Why do I feel this pain? 591 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,080 Cuz everything I say, she doesn't 592 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,440 understand. She doesn't realize. She t 593 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,559 it all her own way. 594 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,600 >> I remember Chaz got Elvis Costello up to 595 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080 dance and that was kind of funny. People 596 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,960 found that very amusing, you know. I 597 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,640 think it's partly what you you brought 598 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,720 up earlier. It was a very much Midlands 599 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,400 thing, you know, in England and and we 600 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,520 were definitely not part of that 601 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,120 and the two-tone label was building, 602 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,640 more and more bands were joining it and 603 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,159 it was it was kind of getting its own 604 00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:49,919 momentum and we just felt like we just 605 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:51,679 wanted to do something a bit different. 606 00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:54,399 Yeah. And it was just by chance, you 607 00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,480 know, that we found Stiff Records, an 608 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,240 independent record label, you know, with 609 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,399 a one guy that you could talk to and do 610 00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:03,120 whatever you want rather than some, you 611 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,039 know, great big corporate record 612 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,919 company. And at that time, you know, 613 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,480 Steve had Elvis Costello, Ian Jury, the 614 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,120 Dans, Kirsty McCall, Nick Low, you know, 615 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,880 all artists that we really loved, a lot 616 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,279 of maverick people who probably wouldn't 617 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,960 have survived on another record label. 618 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,440 So, it's perfect for us. 619 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,559 And um yeah, it was just a natural 620 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,640 progression. It wasn't like we didn't 621 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600 like two-tone. We we had to give them 622 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,520 every credit for getting to where we had 623 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,679 got, but we just felt that we wanted to 624 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:36,720 do something that wasn't two time. The 625 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320 reason why we signed to Stiff was Dave 626 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Robinson was very 627 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360 incredibly confident in letting us make 628 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,520 an album straight away. He he just said 629 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,960 there's no problem. Just go and make an 630 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,120 album. And we love that sort of we loved 631 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,880 him giving the confidence, you know, to 632 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,159 us to go and do that. 633 00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,159 >> They were an interesting kind of bunch. 634 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:56,000 They were there's a lot of chat, you 635 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,039 know, a lot of twoing and throwing. 636 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,039 Years later, I discovered that George 637 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,799 Martin signed the Beatles because of 638 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,200 their because of their chat rather than 639 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,159 their music. But with Madness, I heard a 640 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:10,880 lot of songs in there. I heard, you 641 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,320 know, and they were tight. They played 642 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,960 them well and they showed them off very 643 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,760 well. They kind of exposed them well. 644 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320 So, that's what you're looking for. You 645 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,760 know, if you're running a record 646 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,799 company, you're looking for something 647 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:27,120 that could work quickly. I'm changed a 648 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640 lot since then, but some of his ways he 649 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,440 just can't make, 650 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,480 you know, 10 days I think we recorded 651 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,039 our first album and it was in the same 652 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:46,799 studio that the specialists had recorded 653 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,880 their album and it was like you could 654 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,279 still feel the sort of ganger in the 655 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,159 room that they'd only just left. 656 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,559 And I remember I was with Alan W Stanley 657 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,200 who worked with Clive Langanger 658 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,039 um as the engineer and we found a bit of 659 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,039 tape on the floor and we said quick 660 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,640 let's listen to what the special sound 661 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,919 like. Maybe it's going to be an 662 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:07,840 orchestra or I don't know what are they 663 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,120 doing. So we got this bit of tape and we 664 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,159 pressed play and it just went bong. It 665 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:16,480 was just a drum. 666 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,559 That was it. So, we knew what the drum 667 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,880 sounded like, 668 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,399 but I don't remember it being 669 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:24,799 particularly I mean, maybe Dave Robinson 670 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,480 was driving us, you know, I was just 671 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,080 happy to be in his studio making a 672 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,039 record. You know what I mean? I wasn't 673 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,000 thinking about the specials. I was just 674 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000 happy to be doing music. 675 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,760 >> Dave was going, "Look, you know, their 676 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240 release date is this date. If if we 677 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,279 hurry up, we can release our records 678 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,200 either a week before or on the same 679 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,919 date." And so there was a competition 680 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:50,000 created there. Um there was there's 681 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840 compet, you know, healthy competition, 682 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,360 but they were all friends. 683 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,039 >> Hey, you don't watch that. Watch this. 684 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,520 This is the heavy heavy monster sound. 685 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,480 >> One Step Beyond um was just like a sort 686 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,840 of intro. I think we were only doing 687 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,000 about a minute of the song. We didn't 688 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,200 play the whole thing. It was just when 689 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,200 we came on stage. 690 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,720 Before that, we were doing Hawaii 5. 691 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080 book him down and it was just a sort of 692 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,399 joke and then we changed it to One Step 693 00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:23,279 Beyond. I'd really like to have them and 694 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,520 there's the first single One Step Beyond 695 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,000 and a good title for an album. I thought 696 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480 I wasn't aware at the time that it was 697 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,440 Prince Buster Music. I didn't know. I 698 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240 thought it was theirs and I was very 699 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880 impressed with it. I went to the studio 700 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,440 when they had finished recording and uh 701 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,559 no one step beyond. 702 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,360 So, um 703 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,399 so I said, "Well, where's the where's 704 00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:55,039 the track? That's the first single." 705 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,880 They said, "Well, it's not really we 706 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,840 don't think it's the first single and we 707 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,440 don't want to do it." They said, "You 708 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,919 got to make that into a single." But 709 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:05,760 because we'd done the Prince, which is 710 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,880 homage to Prince Buster, we thought now 711 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,399 we're doing a cover of Prince Buster. 712 00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,880 It's going to sound like we're 713 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,760 covers Prince Buster band. And I said, 714 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,360 "Well, you have to do it. It's, you 715 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,120 know, it's the name of your album, 716 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,279 possibly." 717 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,679 So they eventually went in and they did 718 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:30,640 a 1 minute 25 second version of it. 719 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,960 Uh which uh you know and I got somebody 720 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,320 to do an edit and we turned it into a 721 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,360 longer song 722 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,279 >> and that became the single that became a 723 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,760 massive hit all around the world. One 724 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,460 step. 725 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:53,279 [Music] 726 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,039 The fact that I could pick it and I 727 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,000 could make it into a hit meant that they 728 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,760 allowed me from then on to pick the 729 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,679 singles. So, our relationship blossomed 730 00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:07,200 from that very early beginning. 731 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:16,180 [Music] 732 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,559 It just was difficult to get all seven 733 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,240 of us into a photograph. So, we just 734 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960 found if we all squashed up, it'd be 735 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,679 easier like a sandwich. But, it was 736 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:28,399 just, I don't know, complete 737 00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:32,399 abstract. They had the nutty train. It's 738 00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:36,080 all there. They had various photographic 739 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,200 ideas of how they would look as a group 740 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,640 and it was very very useful. 741 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,799 >> I think that image helped yeah a lot 742 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,399 because it does make it makes you stand 743 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,360 out very you know people say oh can you 744 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,720 do that then people would try it 745 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,919 themselves which is always quite funny. 746 00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,559 Madness came into the pop world at the 747 00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,960 time when the single, the sevenin 748 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,000 single, the 45 RPM was king and they 749 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,440 matched at and came in with the great 750 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,280 pop singles of the age. 751 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,960 >> It's madness the prince. 752 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,320 >> We welcome madness. 753 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,200 >> Madness. 754 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:13,760 >> Madness. 755 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,560 >> Madness. 756 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,359 >> Madness. 757 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:18,359 >> Madness. 758 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,599 I know 759 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,720 >> they say stay away. 760 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,839 Don't want you home today. 761 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:31,679 Keep away from our door. Don't come 762 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,320 around here no more. 763 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,679 My dad don't want to know. He says this 764 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,240 is a serious matter. 765 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,599 >> I think for absolutely we wanted we were 766 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,280 under a lot of time pressure because we 767 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,079 had to record it very quickly to follow 768 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,560 up the first album. I think it it it was 769 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,159 a bit more organic. It felt that way 770 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,760 really more than thinking about moving 771 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,040 away from Scar. 772 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,639 >> We didn't know where we were going, but 773 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,480 we just realized we just wanted to push 774 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,560 ourselves musically a bit more. I mean, 775 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200 Scar reggae always be in our f all our 776 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,359 records. There's two or three four scar 777 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:08,359 beggs. 778 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,440 So, you know, the kinks to the Beatles 779 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,680 to harmonies to, 780 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,440 you know, brass bands to calypso to 781 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,160 jazz, you know, just trying to make it 782 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,079 more interesting for ourselves. 783 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,040 >> I like music that's kind of folk music 784 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,520 and I to me folk music is not people 785 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,200 with beards going shush, you know, that 786 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,520 which a lot of the English folk clubs 787 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,400 used to be like. I like music that the 788 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560 the songwriting. I like the song. I 789 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,560 always tried to get interested in 790 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,680 songwriters and also writing about their 791 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,010 place in society. 792 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:54,800 [Music] 793 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,280 I tell you why I didn't do it. Cuz I 794 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,400 wasn't there. Don't blame me. It just 795 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,440 isn't fair. You listen to their side now 796 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,000 listen to mine. Come think of a story. 797 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,480 Sure you'll find me some time. 798 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,480 now. 799 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,240 >> So, Madness, they were they were the 800 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,880 music of Count Town in my mind. 801 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,079 >> Uh, you know, like the Beatles were were 802 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,280 Liverpool. 803 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,400 >> It wasn't me either. I'm just his mate. 804 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,480 He told me to stand here and watch the 805 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,440 gate. I've got a wife and three kids, 806 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,440 you know. 807 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,079 I'm straight. At least I think so. 808 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,000 >> We would make up the script for the 809 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,800 shoot for the video on the day usually 810 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,880 in the morning over a coffee or 811 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000 whatever. And uh the lines of the 812 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,320 lyrics, you know, we were keen. All 813 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,200 their songs are very descriptive and uh 814 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,040 and they were always very funny. 815 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680 Marketing wise, it was fantastic cuz TV 816 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040 stations would queue up to get the next 817 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,920 Madness video. So, we would get the best 818 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:04,960 possible TV exposure to a new Madness 819 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,920 video. I wish to get a move on drivers 820 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560 taking his time. I just don't know. I'll 821 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200 be late. Oh dear, what will a boss say? 822 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,839 Pull yourself together now. Don't get in 823 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:20,160 a state. Don't you worry. There's no 824 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,000 hurry. It's a lovely day. 825 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,880 >> We've always enjoyed what we do and 826 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,560 we've always had a sort of theatrical 827 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,520 element. I think that resonates with the 828 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,320 audience, you know. 829 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,880 >> 16. 830 00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:44,160 [Music] 831 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,079 >> At the time when they did songs like 832 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,680 House of Fr. I thought it was I thought 833 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,359 it was a piece of genius to because it 834 00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:55,520 was sold as like, oh yeah, this is all 835 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,839 fun. But it's like, you know, it had a 836 00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:04,240 a great interesting lyrical idea about 837 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,160 what it means to be grown up and where 838 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,240 does that begin and, you know, when do 839 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,320 you take responsibility? Even when it 840 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000 comes to House of Fun or something, it's 841 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,880 all like, but it's about, you know, 842 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,280 condoms and 843 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,040 other things quite serious situations. 844 00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:31,359 [Music] 845 00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:35,040 >> I'll be on my way. 846 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,760 Madness always had their roots in 847 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,240 British pop. And in the tradition of 848 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,599 great British pop, 849 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,960 record labels wanted a single, three 850 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040 months later, another single, another 851 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,280 single, another single, an album, 852 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,800 single, single, single. That's what 853 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,280 sustained the Beatles, the Kinks, the 854 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,160 Stones. Madness had that always. They 855 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,160 all they just had this ability to 856 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,000 provide another great song, another 857 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,640 great song. And ultimately, despite all 858 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,240 the different genres and different 859 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,400 styles of music that were happening, 860 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,839 Madness always gave you the single on 861 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:13,920 chorus. And that's essentially what 862 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,640 Radio One wanted, what Smash Hits 863 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,860 wanted, what Top of the Pops wanted. 864 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:26,219 [Music] 865 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,240 I've been driving in my car. 866 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,130 takes us near. It takes us far 867 00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:38,720 [Music] 868 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,100 city. 869 00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:48,810 [Music] 870 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,079 >> Weren't they great? Those car adverts, 871 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,079 they were great fun. I think you could 872 00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:57,440 do anything with that band. You know 873 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,640 what I mean? At the end of the day, 874 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,200 they're so talented. 875 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200 >> But times have changed. The Nutty Boys 876 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,280 have grown up. Some like Sugs are 877 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,400 married with children. 878 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,520 >> Very hot. 879 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,000 >> Very hot. 880 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:10,720 >> Very hot. 881 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,000 >> Very hot. 882 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,240 >> They've changed in other ways, too. 883 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,920 Developed an interest, for instance, in 884 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160 social issues. All this is a far cry 885 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,079 from the days when those unfair racist 886 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,920 jobs came their way. 887 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,079 >> I think inherently 888 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,079 we all had sort of socialist instincts, 889 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:27,440 but they just weren't. I mean, we were 890 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,560 all from pretty working-class 891 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,000 backgrounds, you know, and been brought 892 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,240 up in council flats and and and state 893 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,480 education. So, it's kind of inherent 894 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,160 that that was part of our phil 895 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,480 philosophy. But it just became more 896 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,160 apparent as time went on that we were 897 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,000 going to say more about it. Trying hard. 898 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,880 I thought I've done my best. 899 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,599 All my life 900 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:56,119 I can't get no rest 901 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,839 before say I can't carry on. 902 00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,960 >> Rise and fall. That album was probably 903 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200 getting a little bit conceptual and the 904 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,040 Kinks were a good example, you know, 905 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,200 from Arthur and all those albums. Yeah, 906 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,280 they wanted to be more serious. They 907 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,599 wanted to be, you know, they weren't the 908 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,599 Nutty Boys anymore. They were kind of 909 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,560 getting into their mid20s or is if you'd 910 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,480 pulled back Madness to 1979, 1980, they 911 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,920 would have found it difficult to 912 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,240 articulate what their social and 913 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,960 political view were. By the time of Keep 914 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,599 on Moving and Mad Not Mad, they had a 915 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,839 sense of who they were and and the 916 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:42,400 ability to articulate that. And the 917 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,160 conclusion of that in many ways was them 918 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,480 sharing royalties with an organization 919 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,480 like Greenpeace or going on a tour with 920 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640 socialists like Billy Bragg and Paul 921 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,119 Weller and saying we now stand for this. 922 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,520 Whenever I get home, I tend to look at 923 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,280 London a bit nostalgically maybe, you 924 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,960 know. And I started writing this song, 925 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,200 One Better Day. And it was all kind of 926 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,119 optimistic and jolly. And then the next 927 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,960 day when I was more sober, 928 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,800 um, I kind of looked at it in a 929 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,920 different light, you know, and it is 930 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,800 isn't all kind of jolly and romantic, 931 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,040 you know, and I just 932 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,319 kind of added a bit of realism, which 933 00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:29,440 was the old [ __ ] 934 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,359 of which the song is about. 935 00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:33,119 >> You know, I always say they had sort of 936 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,520 politics with a capital P, but we did 937 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,720 have politics, but it was a small P. 938 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,690 >> Walking around 939 00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:42,800 [Music] 940 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,800 here 941 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,240 with the 942 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,240 shoes. 943 00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:02,319 We were in Heligan's Heap uh rehearsal 944 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:04,720 rooms and I said, "Guys, I'm leaving the 945 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,240 band." And there was a sort of shock 946 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,920 silence 947 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,280 and um yeah um and that was it really. 948 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,040 Yeah. You know, we didn't we didn't 949 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,680 really, you know, go into too much um 950 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,760 talk in those days about about things. 951 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,800 No, 952 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,599 >> it was a massive surprise and very very 953 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,000 difficult. Yeah. To take in really. And 954 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,400 I think he felt very he felt exhausted 955 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,800 at that point and he felt he needed a 956 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,119 rest from it, you know, from the whole 957 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:31,920 thing. 958 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,240 >> He just wanted to get out of the what he 959 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,200 saw as a bit of a kind of rat race of of 960 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,680 trying to create hits all the time, 961 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,760 which we were all feeling a little bit, 962 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,280 you know, for all the sort of fun that 963 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,960 we were having. We were starting to get 964 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,200 a bit bored of that process, you know, 965 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,720 of trying to be entertaining all the 966 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,720 time. So then you get things like 967 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,319 Yesterday's men and you get things that 968 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,880 are a bit more 969 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,890 reflective and down, I suppose. 970 00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,159 [Music] 971 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,880 >> How far will you go? 972 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,040 When your race is run 973 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,640 and you already know 974 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:20,160 yesterday's man, hang on to today. 975 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,040 When Mike said he wanted to leave, we 976 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,880 should have just stopped and let 977 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,640 everyone sort of do their own thing for 978 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,800 a bit. Then Mark and Woody went. 979 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,319 I mean, should just should have taken 980 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:36,480 some but inevitably we did take some 981 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,760 time out and that was the best thing 982 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,720 that happened from whenever it was till 983 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,920 92. 984 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,000 >> And now time for some complete madness. 985 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,839 The pop group Madness are splitting up 986 00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:47,760 after a string of chart successes. is 987 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,920 they had a zany and jaunty style which 988 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,440 made them one of the most popular bands 989 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,839 of recent years. 990 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,200 Madstock is is quite an incredible 991 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160 moment in the history of Madness. Not 992 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,280 only is it the first time that they play 993 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,319 together as a band in 8 years, it's 994 00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:13,440 really the first time that they ever 995 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,280 celebrate their greatest hits. 996 00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:25,440 as much as I do. 997 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,599 In 1992, 998 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,520 Madness go to the top of the album 999 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,440 charts in the UK because of a 1000 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,920 compilation album. And here's now an 1001 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,960 opportunity to play all the songs back 1002 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,160 to back, the greatest hits for the first 1003 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,319 time. 1004 00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:45,200 The concert reached some kind of 1005 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,560 crescendo of the band realizing what 1006 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,200 they mean to their fans and the fans in 1007 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,240 turn showing their love of what this 1008 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,440 band has given to them for so many years 1009 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,880 and hadn't had the opportunity to say we 1010 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,610 love you. 1011 00:46:03,610 --> 00:46:07,200 [Music] 1012 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,560 >> And the band going back, thank you. 1013 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,920 >> Thank you. Thank you. My god, there's a 1014 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,720 lot of people out there. There is. 1015 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:22,040 Oh no. And I know some of them 1016 00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:43,119 little whisk. She's streets ahead 1017 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,640 on top of the day break and the last one 1018 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,040 in bed 1019 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,000 should keep the gizmo 1020 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,560 under. 1021 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,560 >> There's two ways that bands operate. 1022 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,280 There's bands that have a leader and 1023 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,200 there's bands that have that are a gang 1024 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,200 and they have a gang mentality and they 1025 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,319 go around and and 1026 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:09,599 um from what I've seen quite often the 1027 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,040 bands with a gang mentality last longer 1028 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,720 simply because they have a common 1029 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,440 purpose which is not even stated. It's 1030 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,200 not even necessarily written down 1031 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,280 anywhere but they have a common purpose 1032 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,839 and they all know that there is a common 1033 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,160 purpose. everyone throw in their ideas 1034 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,240 and even if we don't always agree, you 1035 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,640 know, it might take a long time, it's 1036 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,560 much more fun to then come out at the 1037 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,000 other end with something we've all 1038 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,280 agreed on than to dictate what you think 1039 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,880 it should be. You know, that's what I 1040 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,520 find. Not that I could because they'd 1041 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,240 all beat me up. 1042 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,400 Oh, life begins at 5 to8. No time to 1043 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,119 waste. It will not wait. A laying that 1044 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,800 was yesterday. Up an atom into the fry. 1045 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,800 There will be no time to catch your 1046 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,760 breath. The enemy of life is death. So 1047 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,240 sweep the hallway, mob the wall, your 1048 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,520 destiny is about to call. 1049 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,880 >> Whenever it's the social club, for 1050 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,520 instance, I seen long time ago now, I 1051 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,440 don't know if he's still alive, is he 1052 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,680 far, whatever his name is. They come on 1053 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,760 stage with two walking sticks. It must 1054 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,680 have been 80 and he threw him in the air 1055 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,319 and he started dancing and I thought, 1056 00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:31,760 you know where these people are from? 1057 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,599 They're from Havana in Cuba. Do you know 1058 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:34,640 what I mean? They couldn't be from 1059 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,359 anywhere else. And that is what I mean 1060 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:39,200 about madness is it couldn't be from 1061 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,280 anywhere else you for better or for 1062 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,280 worse. 1063 00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:54,650 [Music] 1064 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,160 And I think the realization 1065 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200 comes in in two really major events 1066 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640 where madness are crowned as national 1067 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,440 treasures by the people of the nation. 1068 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,079 The first one is when they are invited 1069 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:18,079 to perform at the uh 2012 Olympic 1070 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,720 ceremony and then of course they end up 1071 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,280 playing on top of the Queen's roof of 1072 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,119 Buckingham Palace with the Jubilee. 1073 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,680 They had a very they had the idea of 1074 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,520 what they wanted to do and it sounded 1075 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,160 really really good. Um with the 1076 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,079 projection they were projecting on 1077 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:37,520 Buckingham Palace and we would go on the 1078 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,200 roof. I remember when it was when we 1079 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,960 would have such a very good time, such a 1080 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,040 fine time, such a happy time. And I 1081 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,839 remember 1082 00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:51,680 >> we were playing on a sort of scaffolding 1083 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,559 platform and there were the the snipers 1084 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,960 were just like lined up along the roof 1085 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,960 and they were all like juggling along 1086 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,680 while sort of like 1087 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,280 our house. 1088 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,280 in the middle of our street, our house, 1089 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,200 in the middle of one's street. 1090 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,440 >> And it was an amazing night. Yeah, it 1091 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,880 really was. 1092 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,400 >> You realize as much as the royal family 1093 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,359 is part of British culture, as much as 1094 00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:28,559 stately homes are British culture or 1095 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,359 Shakespeare, so are the Beatles and now 1096 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,839 so are madness. And they hold that 1097 00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,640 reverence and that status and they and 1098 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,640 it's richly deserved for everything that 1099 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,880 they've given to the nation because 1100 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,079 simply they've just given us joy through 1101 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:45,600 pop music. 1102 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:53,659 [Music] 1103 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:59,119 Lots of girls and lots of boys. 1104 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,119 A lot of smell. A lot of noise. 1105 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:07,119 Playing football in the park, 1106 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,960 kicking push bikes after the dark and 1107 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,119 know what fun we had. 1108 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:20,960 But did it really turn out bad? Cuz all 1109 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,839 I learned at school 1110 00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:28,559 was how to be a break. 1111 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:33,119 and know what fun we had. 1112 00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:38,800 But the time it seems so bad trying in 1113 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,680 different ways 1114 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,760 to make a difference 1115 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,319 to the days 1116 00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,160 back 1117 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,680 to the days 1118 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,200 back to the days 1119 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,040 back 1120 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,760 to the days. 1121 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,000 To the days 1122 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000 I trust. 1123 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,640 To the days 1124 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,040 I trust. To the days. 1125 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,550 [Music] 1126 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,920 You're on the pentalone. 1127 00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:31,900 [Music]